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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)12:18:37 No.1
Episode 60
ダイとポップ
Dai and Popp
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)12:29:29 No.231329156
>>1
ポップかっこいい
Based Popp.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)04:10:33 No.231349631
>>1
ここのシーンは友情も映像もどっちも美しかった
this scene was beautiful not the friendship only but also the visuals

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)04:12:21 No.231349694
>>231349631
うん
すごい満足してる!
Yeah, I am very pleased!
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)16:17:20 No.231333806
JRPGのラスボスにボコボコにされたプレイヤーの様子である
How every JRPG player feels after being curbstomped by the final boss.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)12:39:49 No.231329437
チウはボーイフレンドが沢山いるな
Chiu has many boyfriends

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)13:59:48 No.231331302
>>231329437
チウがこんなに役立つなんて誰が想像したよ
Who would have thought Chiu would be so useful?

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)22:52:14 No.231340058
>>231331302
He's the best!
どうしてこうも完璧なんだろうか?
Why is Chiu so perfect?
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)08:47:02 No.231359514
>>231340058
俺もチウのボーイフレンドになりたいよ
I want to be his boyfriend bros..

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)13:03:54 No.231330042

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俺は戦う
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そして俺は信じている
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お前が勇者かどうかなんて関係ねえ
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お前がダイだから信じてるんだ!
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勇者がなんだ!?ドラゴンの騎士がどうした!?
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俺にとって
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ダイはダイだ!

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)13:11:59 No.231330264
>>231330042
俺達のポップ...最も勇気を...
Our lad... The bravest...

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)13:15:17 No.231330332
>>231330042
なんたる漢
What a chad

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)15:50:12 No.231333357
>>231330042
最初からダイと一緒にいた者だけが持つ距離の近さ...
The closeness that only someone who's been with Dai from the beginning can have...

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)13:40:49 No.231330924
Popp is the best, best!

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)14:26:20 No.231331831
心温まるエピソードだった。ポップのキャラ発展と成長にスポットが当たり、ダイとアバンがどれだけポップに良い影響が与えたのかが紹介された
Wholesome episode. This episode really highlighted Popp's character development and growth, and showcased how much Dai and Avan have influenced him in a positive manner.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)14:50:23 No.231332302
>>231331831
Popp is the best character.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)14:28:44 No.231331877
>>231331831
このエピソードの好きなところは、誰かのために戦うことと自分のために戦うことの違いに触れられているところ。勇気は自分よりも大きなもののために戦うことで得られるとよく言われるけど、その重荷に耐えられないと感じたとき、どうなるんだろうか?
I love this episode because it highlights the difference between fighting for others and yourself. It's often said great courage comes from fighting for something greater than yourself, but what happens when you don't feel good enough for that burden?

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)18:35:57 No.231335817
今観おわった。素晴らしいシーンがいっぱいあったね。内容自体は主人公が疑念に囚われるよくあるような展開だったけど、このエピソードは称賛に値する。とにかく良かった
Just finished it.Episode full of great moments, the actual stuff itself is the usual mc getting doubt and shit prevalent everywhere in similar series but I cant commend the episode enough,shit just felt good.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)18:42:05 No.231335894
>>231335817
個人的意見としては、やり方と構成がしっかりしているからこそ、この作品は気持ちよく見れるんだと思う。かつてルーラが苦手だったポップがマァムを連れて2人が出会った場所に行ったことを思い出しして、ダイの行き先に気づいたところとかね。過去の冒険を思い出すことによるノスタルジーは格別だ
In my opinion, execution and build-up is why this shit feels good because you recall how Popp once took Maam to where they met when he wasn't good with Zoom and that's the reason Popp knew where Dai had to have gone. The nostalgia associated with recalling these past adventures and their journey is the best shit.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)18:51:08 No.231335999
>>231335894
いつも通りポップがMVP
Popp MVP as always.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:16:35 No.231336356
>>231335999
少年漫画の主人公が求める最高の親友だよ
The truest best friend a shounen protag could ask for

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)22:20:39 No.231339451
>内容自体は主人公が疑念に囚われるよくあるような展開だったけど、このエピソードは称賛に値する。とにかく良かった
これこそがダイの大冒険が素晴らしい理由だし、ダイの大冒険は「”よくある展開=悪”ではない」ことを示す完璧な例と言える
世界で最もありふれて独創性のないものであっても、その調理の仕方が良ければ、最高の作品になることができる
ダイの大冒険は「こういうシーン/表現を何百回も観たことがある」と感じることのある作品だけど、何年かしてそういうシーン/表現を思い出したときに、一番良いものとして思い浮かぶのがダイの大冒険なんだ
>the actual stuff itself is the usual mc getting doubt and shit prevalent everywhere in similar series but I cant commend the episode enough,shit just felt good.
This is why Dai no Daibouken is so great, and Dai no Daibouken is the perfect example of "Generic doesn't equal bad".
You can be the most generic, unoriginal thing in the world and still be one of the best in the medium if you execute it well.
Dai's the kind of manga/anime where you say "I've seen this scene/cliche/trope done hundreds of times before," but years later when you're reminiscing about that kind of scene/cliche/trope, Dai's among the best things that come to mind.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)22:32:03 No.231339683
>>231339451
でも、この漫画を読み返して初めて気づいたんだけど、ダイの大冒険がこういう「お約束」を上手く成立させているのは、その設定や空気感が少年漫画としては珍しいからでもあるよ。ラスボスの復活と勇者の死から物語が始まる少年漫画は他にない。絶望の中にある希望の感覚がダイを特別なものにしている。さらにバランのように選ばれし存在が人間性を捨てたことを明かされる章を含めて、人間性の力をめぐる物語であるように思う
Mind you, something I didn't think about until re-reading the manga is that Dai no Daibouken makes such a generic thing work because its set-up and atmosphere are unusual for a shonen manga. I can't think of any big shonen manga that kicks off its plot both with the return of the final boss and the death of the hero. That sense of hope within hopelessness is a big part of what makes Dai special, between this and arcs like Baran's one where you learn the chosen hero straight up abandoned humanity it truly feels like a story about the power of humanity.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)16:51:19 No.231334382
アバンはそのまま死んでた方が良かったように思う。「先生は俺達とずっと一緒にいたんだ」って延々と語られるシーンで白けてしまう
I think I would have honestly preferred if Avan was just straight up dead, all these scenes where they go on and on about how he's "been with them all along" just makes me roll my eyes.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)17:01:37 No.231334551
>>231334382
ええと、そうだとしても彼が作ったペンダントが旅の間ずっと弟子たちを守ってきたことは感動的だし、ヒュンケルがラーハルトを倒せたのもこれのおかげだし
I mean, he had to build up to this seeing that he decided to bring Avan back and even if Avan had stayed dead it's still touching that the pendants he made protected them throughout the entire journey and it's even the reason why Hyunckel was able to defeat Larhart.


蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:41:54 No.231336664
今回もまた素晴らしいエピソードだったな。あえて物語の悪いところを議論してみようか。欠点を認めずに本当に愛することはできないから
this episode was another great one, let's discuss the bad things about the story, you can't love something without acknowledging it's flaws

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:56:17 No.231336865
>>231336664
ENTER(≒ピンチでの助太刀)が多すぎる。まあ俺は好きだから気にしてないんだけどね
Too much characters making ENTER, but i love it so who cares.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)21:48:43 No.231338842
>>231336865
coolだよね
It's cool.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:49:13 No.231336763
>>231336664
クロコダインがもっと認められて欲しいと強く思う
I do wish Crocodine would be more acknowledged among other things.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:56:44 No.231336873
>>231336664
マァムはもっと焦点が当てられたほうが良かったし、ヒュンケルは俺の好みから言えば、他人の見せ場を奪うことがちょっと多すぎ
最後のミストバーンとの対決は、作品全体の中で最も弱い部分であり、楽しみではない
Maam should have had more individual character focus and Hyunckel steals the show from others a bit too often for my taste.
The final Myst confrontation is by far the weakest part of the whole series and I don't look forward to it.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:57:53 No.231336893
>>231336873
ヒュンケルはENTERキング
Hyunckel is the ENTER king

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)20:34:49 No.231337469
>>231336893
知っての通り、JUSTICEはENTERを好むものだから
As we all know JUSTICE likes to ENTER

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)22:07:46 No.231339190
>>231337469
うむ
Yes

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)14:49:34 No.231332282
アバンは今まで見てきた中で、5話までに死んだキャラの中では一番存在が濃いと思う。彼は今でもずっと物語に影響を与えてる
Avan has to be the most relevant character to die 5 eps into the show I've ever seen, he's still influencing the plot all the time.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)14:57:38 No.231332423
>>231332282
それもそうだ、ダイは実質的にアバンの物語の続編なんだから
Makes sense, Dai is technically a sequel to his story.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)19:46:13 No.231336720
>>231332282
>5話までに死んだキャラの中では一番存在が濃い
大草原
>Avan has to be the most relevant character to die 5 eps into the show I've ever seen, he's still influencing the plot all the time.
lmao

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)08:49:47 No.231359616
>>231332282
俺は今も、アバンが生きていてひょっこり出てくるのを待ってるよ
I'm still waiting for him to popp out of nowhere alive

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)22:08:23 No.231339202
ポップが演説中にカメラに向かって背を向けて飛び去ろうとしたときに、鼻を鳴らして声を荒げるのを聞いて、男泣きしてしまった
When Popp faced away from the camera while still giving his speech and was about to fly away, hearing him sniffle and his voice cracking got to me
Manly tears were shed.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)23:33:13 No.231341032
>>231339202
ダイとポップの友情は少年漫画史上もっとも美しいものの一つだな
Dai's and Popp's friendship is truly one of the most beautiful in any shonen manga.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/04/21(Sat)23:58:03 No.231341665
>>231341032
そうだな
Yeah

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:02:17 No.231343281
俺ドラゴンクエストは好きだけど東映は嫌いなんだけどこのアニメを楽しめるかな?
I love Dragon Quest but hate Toei shit. Would I enjoy this anime?

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:31:15 No.231344127
>>231343281
イエスだ
近年の東映アニメの中で特に優れた作品だよ。初期のエピソードはCGIの問題があったけど、それ以降ほとんどCGIはない
Yes. This is one of Toei's better animated series in recent memory.
The early episodes have a CGI problem but there's rarely CGI after the first arc.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)03:51:14 No.231348913
ヒュンケルが命の大事さに気づいたことについてどう思う?クロコダインにも自分の命を大事に、毎度死に向かって自分を投げ出さないでほしいと思わない?どういう方向にキャラ発展していったらいいと思うんだけど
how do you feel now that Hyunckel realized that his life is valuable? do you wish for Crocodine to care for his life and stop throwing himself at death every time? don't get me wrong it's based as fuck but them developing like that would be great

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)04:05:30 No.231349439
>>231348913
良いよね
クロコダインも「嫁を探すか」って言ってたから、その点は認識してるんじゃないの
I love it, and I do think Crocodine recognizes this too since he said he'd like to find a wife.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:34:22 No.231344220
ダイと大冒険のアニメと漫画に触発されて、ゲームのドラゴンクエストを始めてしまった。ゲームに触れたのはゲームキューブ時代以来だと思う
This anime and manga convinced me to start playing Dragon Quest today since I love the anime and mang so much, I don't think I've touched a video game since the gamecube era.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:42:28 No.231344421
>>231344220
>1から始めてる
ガンバッテ、アノン君
>starting with 1
Ganbatte anon-kun

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:42:41 No.231344434
>>231344220
楽しんでな!ドラゴンクエストをプレイするといつも良い気分になれる
Enjoy it! Playing Dragon Quest always seems to put me in a good mood.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:40:51 No.231344381
>>231344220
気に入ってる?
Do you like it?

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:46:02 No.231344522
>>231344381
今レベル5。楽しんでるけど、目標が分からん。今までやったことと言えば、金を稼いで鎧や剣を買ったり、最初の町と次の町の間にある洞窟を探検したり、橋の向こうで火の玉を投げるドラキーにボコボコにされたくらいだ
I'm level 5 and enjoying myself and it feels pretty aimless. The most I've done is grind gold for armor and a sword, explore that cave between the first and second town, and get my ass kicked by those fireball casting drakee's across the bridge

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:48:28 No.231344587
>>231344522
うむ、順調だな
Yep you're on the road alright

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 12/05/21(Sun)01:49:45 No.231344634
>>231344522
Haha
うん、あの橋は難所だよな。ガンバッテ!

yeah, that bridge is a filter alright. Ganbatte!


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