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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:25:24 No.1
もののけ姫って宮崎映画の最高傑作？
それとも微妙なグレーゾーンの敵多すぎ？
Princess Mononoke 
Was this the greatest Miyazaki film, or was there too much muh grey area antagonists?



蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:26:52 No.222908143
>>1
＞宮崎駿の最高傑作
Spirited Away(千と千尋の神隠し)だろ、/a/（漫画アニメ板）の通念には反するが
>the greatest Miyazaki film
That's Spirited Away, contrary to popul/a/r belief

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:32:11 No.222908358
>>222908143

It's okay, but anytime I put it on I just feel like I'm watching ponyo with more colors

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:30:49 No.222908303
>>222908143
いや、千と千尋は退屈だわ、もののけ姫がbadass(超クール)で大人向け。あとサンがくそ可愛い
No. That shit is boring Mononoke is badass and mature. Plus I like the girl shes mad cute

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:31:48 No.222908338
>>222908303
＞もののけがbadass
うん
＞大人向け
ポニョと猫の恩返しを除いたら他のジブリ作品と変わんねえだろ
>Mononoke is badass
Yes
>mature
No more than other Ghibli movies excluding Ponyo and Cat Returns

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:38:08 No.222908601
>>1
長すぎるし複雑すぎるしメッセージ性で頭を殴りかかってくるし、キャラクターに共感できないし、印象に残らない。あの主人公は何なんなんだ？
ナウシカの方が優れてるし、同じようなテーマを扱ってるし、美術面でも遥かに上
It's way too long, convoluted and beats you over the head with its message, the characters are unsympathetic, unimpressive. What even is the mc's character?
Nausicca is superior and it explores the same themes and has far better aesthetics
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:49:18 No.222911129
>>222908601
逆だろ
もののけ姫はナウシカの完成形だよ。ニュアンスがよりあって、美術もさらに良くなって、子供向けじゃない
it's the other way around
princess mononoke is a perfection of nausicaa. it has more nuance, the art was better, and it wasn't for kids

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:40:27 No.222908686
>>222908601
ナウシカは俺も大好きだけどもののけより上ってことはないだろ。ナウシカは映画化としては失敗というべきか、ラストがね。何度観てもエンディングまではずっと大好きなんだけど。制作は巨神兵と一緒に映画を作り上げて、あいつはレーザー2発撃って死んでいくんだ
Nausica is my favorite one but it's not better than Mononoke. Nausicaa is a botchered adaption, I mean just watch the finale. Everytime I watch Nausicaa I love it all the way through to the ending they build up the movie with the giant and then he shoots 2 lasers and f*cking dies.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:54:20 No.222909231
>>222908601
最近ナウシカ観た
楽しんだけど、後に作ったもののけの方が絶対良い映画だよ。いやナウシカもかなり良いのは間違いないんだけど
I watched Nausicca recently.
I enjoyed it, but it's too amateurish.
Ghibli definitely made better films later on Mononoke being one of them.
That being said Nausicca is still pretty good.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:42:06 No.222908747
ポニョ
Ponyo
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:43:14 No.222908796
>>222908747
これ
this

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:43:27 No.222908806
>>1
ジブリ最高傑作は宮崎駿監督作品ですらないんだよなあ
miyazaki didnt even direct the best ghibli film
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:59:01 No.222909413
>>222908806
これをレスしにきた
Came here to post this

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:55:14 No.222909259
>>222908806
正解
Correct.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:48:08 No.222908991
>>222908806
素晴らしきヴァイオリンkino
Based violin kino

kino:
傑作、最高(の映画)。

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:55:14 No.222909259
>>1
もののけは絶対にない
ナウシカほどじゃないけどmisanthropic(人間嫌い、厭世的)が過ぎる。キキが最高傑作だよ
Far from it, way too misanthropic, though not as extreme as Nausicaa in that regard. Kiki is his best work.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:57:27 No.222909338
>>222909259
ナウシカって厭世的じゃないだろ。一体何の話をしとるんだ
Nausicca isn't even misanthropic. What are you on about?

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:03:58 No.222909579
>>222909338
マジレスすると、ナウシカ以外のほぼ全てのキャラはカリカチュア(風刺画)じゃん
Get real, almost every human apart from Nausicaa is a caricature.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:08:44 No.222909753
>>222909579
かなり良いポイントついてると思う
ただ、それがストーリーに悪影響を与えていると思うかどうかは主観による。登場人物がシンプルであることは必ずしも悪いことじゃないけど、本作ではナウシカだけが肉付けされているように感じられました
This is also a pretty good point too.
It's subjective whether you think it hurts the story or not though.
having simplistic characters isn't always bad, but Nausicaa was the only one in the film that felt fleshed out.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:43:44 No.222908824
>>1
最高峰の一つではあるけどベストではないな。エンディングがやや駆け足で結論が出ていないように感じられる
It's one of the best but not THE best. The ending feels somewhat rushed and inconclusive

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:49:42 No.222909055
どう考えても紅の豚が宮崎映画の最高傑作だろ
Porco Rosso is clearly the best Miyazaki movie.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)15:22:47 No.222913589
>>222909055
やるじゃん
Based

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:12:14 No.222909874
>>1
もののけは宮崎が作った最後の素晴らしい映画だけど、ベストとは言えない
>>222909055
マジで最高だよね
It was his last great one. I wouldn't say it's his best though.
>>222909055
It's definitely up there.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:57:44 No.222909354
>>222909055
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:52:27 No.222909163
>>1
＞微妙なグレーゾーンの敵多すぎ
なぜこれがマイナス要素になるのか
>too much muh grey area antagonists
Why would that be a negative?

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:53:01 No.222909185
お前らキキはどう思う？個人的にはなかなか心地よくて悪くないけど、素晴らしいとまでは思わなかった
What did we think of Kiki? Ghibli bros? I thought it was okay, somewhat comfy but not great.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:55:21 No.222909263
>>222909185
その絵は酷いな
ジブリガールズを今時のアニメスタイルで描くのはやめてくれ
That is f*cking terrifying.
Ghibli girls shoul間違えたd never be drawn in modern anime styles.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:54:08 No.222909222
>>222909185
画像間違えた
wrong pic
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:43:46 No.222912569
>>222909222
キキはキュートだったな！ジブリ映画の中で一番ではないけど、映像的にとても素晴らしく、テーマも世界観も技術も全てが完璧だった。たぶん天空の城ラピュタの次に好きな作品
kiki was cute! not the bessst ghibli movie but visually pretty awesome, the theme, setting, tech and shit were all pretty perfect. Probably my second favorite after castle in the sky

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:15:58 No.222910012
>>222909185
ジェームズ・メイがこの映画好きなんだよね。コロナ禍の間、ウェブカメラに映る姿の後ろにキキのセル(画？)映ってる。いやマジな話
James may loves that film. Has a cel of kiki behind him in every webcam shot of him during the pandemic. Not even joking.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)12:57:18 No.222909335
>>222909185
もっとバランスを取れたんじゃないかと思うんだよなあ。大人になるとか社会に適応することを学ぶことがテーマなのは分かってるけど、後半にもうちょっと明るい要素があった方が、スランプの鬱屈を相殺できたんじゃないかなって
I think emotionally it could have been better balanced throughout. I know it's about growing up and learning to adjust to society but the story might have benefited from a little more joy and light heartedness in the second half, to offset the slump.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:37:30 No.222910752
ラピュタかナウシカかで悩むなあ
I'm torn between Laputa and Nausicaa as my favorites

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:47:17 No.222911068
>>1
(もののけ姫で)間違いない
千と千尋やカリオストロの城も傑作だけど
it definitely is
spirited away and castle of cagliostro are also kino
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:58:25 No.222911410
>>1
俺はかぐや姫にぶったまげた
Kaguya blew me away.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:35:08 No.222912349
>>1
最後の告白は、サンとアシタカが物語を通して築き上げてきた関係性の自然な結果ってよりも、義務的に行われたように感じられた。それ以外は素晴らしい作品、壮大な物語を描いた宮崎監督の作品の中でもおそらく最高傑作だと思う
I think the confession at the end felt like it was done out of obligation rather than organically building off what connection San and Ashitaka had built up over the series. Otherwise great film outside of that, probably the best of Miyazaki’s films that are about a grand sweeping narrative.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:40:39 No.222912492
>>1
もののけ姫ではないな。ただ他で言われてるような理由じゃなくて、これ(紅の豚)を超える傑作なんてないから。とは言うものの、ラピュタ、ナウシカ、コクリコ坂からと並んでトップ5に入るのは間違いない
No, but not for the reason stated.
It's because nothing can top this masterpiece.
That said, it's solidly in the top 5 alongside Laputa, Nausicca, and Poppy Hill.
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:44:43 No.222912588
>>222912492
コクリコ坂は全体としては好きなんだけど、女主人公が主人公に対して、実は自分の兄弟か何かだと判明した後でも彼とセ●●スしたいと考えてたのは未だに気になるところ
As much as I like Poppy Hill as a whole, the main heroine still down to f*ck the main hero after learning he might actually be her brother or some shit like that still throws me off.
蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:04:40 No.222911613
>>1
(もののけ姫の)英語吹き替え版が何故かオリジナルよりもかなり良いんだよね
English dub is so much better than the original Japanese for some reason.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:48:38 No.222912684
>>222911613
吹き替え版は確かに凄く良いけど、ひとえにディズニーマネーのおかげ。それでも元の方がやっぱ良いよ
the dub is quite good, but that's only because it had f*cking Disney money thrown at it
the original track is still better

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)14:55:00 No.222912847
「わああああ百合かと思ったのに親戚じゃねえかわあああ」ってなってお前らが思い出のマーニーを嫌ってるのはちょっと悲しい。最高だろこの映画
Kinda sad that everyone hates this film because "waaah that's a relative I thought they were bi waaah"
This film was fantastic
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蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)15:04:23 No.222913106
>>222912847
クライマックスのシーンが特によく出来てたね。楽しかったけど、他のジブリ映画にあるような「大作感」を感じるにはちょっと話がまとまりすぎてたように思う。新海誠のChildren who Chase Lost Voices(星を負う子ども)はもう観た？個人的に似たような感じでさらによく出来てると思う
the climax in particular was very well done
I enjoyed it, but it was a bit too contained of a story to really feel "epic" like a lot of other ghibli movies are
have you seen shinkai's Children who Chase Lost Voices? similar feel imo, but better executed

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)15:18:53 No.222913457
>>222913106
いいや、でも調べてみるよ、ありがとう
No, but I'll look into it, thanks.

蠱惑の壺 4chan /a/ 05/27/21(Thu)13:52:18 No.222911213
>>1
大砲で撃たれながらサンを街から運び出すシーンが今まで観た中で最高のシーンだわ
That segment where he carries her out of town while getting shot by a f*cking cannon is my favorite scene of all time.


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